Fall, 2001 |
NICE discussion of science on Wednesday. Thanks |
Science = life?
Science as "summary of observations", "getting it less wrong"
Life is ... ?
Practical issue related to really major "getting it less wrong"
I was wondering the same sort of thing during Friday's class, trying to imagine how the concept of "summaries of observations" could be presented in an elementary classroom. I think I've decided that "traditional science" is actually just easier for the teacher, which is probably why it is taught that way. I think we may underestimate children if we think they couldn't grasp the concept of expanding knowledge through experimentation (as opposed to finding it). After all, as previously discussed, in that way science is exactly like life, so it is something children are already involved in. However, wouldn't presenting truth as nonexistent (rather than as something unattianable through human thought) be a very dangerous thing in a classroom? ... Christy Cox
... scientists aren't in search of truth at all, because in science there has to be some sort of evidence--people have to be able to see, hear, taste, touch, smell, or somehow physically register the observations that are made.
I think that science, along with all other disciplines, are merely ways of interpreting the world and improving the lives of people according to the philosophies of the times. For example, the scientific discovery of DNA, and Darwin's theory of evolution would not have been as widely accepted, nor perhaps even pursued were it not for the more materialistic atmosphere that resulted from the Protestant Reformation, the Industrial Revolution, and the spread of Socialism. These economic, religious, and scientific breakthroughs were all attempts to better describe the world we live in, and by using these better descriptions, we would be able to improve the state of the world.
i find it helplessly depressing to think of life as a series of mistakes one after another. at the same time, that seems to be the class consensus, and perhaps it's my consensus, too.
Yet when science tries to involve it self in Biology, the science “of life” how does it avoid it’s own cultural framework? As a class we had a hard time talking about life on Europa because all of our descriptions of what life might be like were initially human centered…It took us a while to figure out that something didn’t have to “move” in order to be alive. Can we see and understand life without being self-referential?
What seems more likely would be that "life" (I guess we still haven't defined that word) on another planet would have evolved in a completely different direction and would therefore have different characteristics. Just because we can't imagine it, doesn't mean it couldn't exist.
I felt like it was an interesting way to see how science and life are intertwined. We may find that our definition of life evolves as we explore through observation on other planets because just like anything else in science, we have defined life through a series of observations.
While the description of life if I were landing on Europa would have to be based around physical aspects, I think that what life actually is, is far more than what we made it in class. Life can be that short period of time between when something is born and when it dies, or it can be every single moment within that time. Sure, life can be motion, reproduction, growth, and interactions with the environment, but why can't it be memories, sights and emotions? ... We ARE astonished by the obvious perhaps. After all, that's what life is all about.
I was looking through the book, and I saw how varied "life" was -- for example, they showed pictures of the molecules that make up chlorophyll, then they showed a chloroplast, then a single plant cell, then the tissue, then a single leaf, then a tree, then a forest, where all kinds of organisms interact. All of this, from the tiny cell to the huge forest, is life. In the same way, science encompasses a huge area. Science tries to make sense of the cosmos, of outer space, of the oceans, and also studies the tiniest molecules, splits atoms, tries to map genes. The small and the big all come together. Kinda cool, huh? |
A living organism ... ?
Interdependent diversity, change over time
Similarities between science and life?
And ... ?
Arrange in order of size
Human perspective relevant: Technology dependence of observations
Limited range of observations? of sizes of organisms?
Yet when science tries to involve it self in Biology, the science “of life” how does it avoid it’s own cultural framework? As a class we had a hard time talking about life on Europa because all of our descriptions of what life might be like were initially human centered…It took us a while to figure out that something didn’t have to “move” in order to be alive. Can we see and understand life without being self-referential? ... Heather Shelton
Contemporary taxonomy, according to our textbook, is primarily focused on establishing how closely various species are related -- how much of their genetic inheritance they share with one another. Why, I wonder, is that so important to us? Why do we seem driven to classify things according to how like or unlike us they are? ... Do we reduce our chances of evolutionary "success" by restricting what it means to be human and then assuming that humanity is the desired state?
The previous posting asks why humans are driven to classify things according to how they relate to themselves. I ask: "How can we avoid this tendency?" ... We acknowledge our differences by comparing oursleves to each other as humans and recognizing the idiosyncrasies of our species in comparison to other living beings.
the social characteristic of banding together in stress is not a human one. this kind of response is mirrored in other species. it is intersting to note that an injured water buffalo, hunted by a pride of lions, recieves protection from fellow buffalos that encircle him and display they're horns.
People get caught up studying theories and models or they get caught up in their own work and chores, and they forget about the life aspect. Life may go on after tragedies, but the value of that specific life (its stories and information) are gone. Science, and biology especially, aren't just about classifying things, but connecting and interacting with other living organisms.
I think part of our definion of life may need to include the fact that it is irreplacable. ... And, to relate this to the recent tradgedy, no matter what actions this country takes against anyone now, the lives lost can't be replaced. Killing people can't be taken back, because life is that aspect of an organism which can't be regenerated or replaced. In our class, we have learned that in order for our lives to go on, we need diversity throughout our biosphere. Yet, here we are trying to destroy something different from us, just because we don't know all the facts. If only we, as a country, could realize just how precious diversity is to us.
Too often, we seem to consider ourselves the final, perfect product of evolution. This thought led to another, more pessimistic thought (I'm sorry; I don't usually think this way). In the wake of all this tragedy it occured to me that perhaps humans are WORSE off than other species. After all, what other species kills its own kind out of something other than need; what other species has created things like discrimination and racial hatred; what other species has invented "tools" that serve no purpose other than to hurt others? It makes me wonder how and why we became this way?
I feel insensitively intellectual in trying to understand Tuesday's tragedy as part of the human evolutionary process. If evolution implies advancement, then it would seem that any and everything that occurs in our world somehow betters it. ... How has Tuesday's tradgedy advanced us? What role will it play in our evolution? see also 11 September 2001
it seems we can very easily recognize an "improbable assembly," what would we recognize as a probable assembly? I think this can be answered by making some sort of observations reguarding chaos versus order, however the very idea can also be argued against using the parts-of-me-in-a-bag illustration. If I put all of my parts in a bag and spill them out, odds are not good that I will get me on the floor. But if I spill them out once (in what might seem a chaotic and probable assembly), aren't the odds equally slim that I will ever get that "probable" assembly again? |
Size scales
Have sense of spatial scale, existence/potential of life, size (not so good for categorizing), multicell versus single cell (better, why?)- are there other ways of making sense of diversity (is categorization/classification totally arbitrary, simply a "social construction", or does it reflect to some extent characteristics of what is under investigation? are there "natural" categories? and, if so, what does that imply about life?).
Starting with intuitions (as we did with "life", as one always should, in science and elsewhere): what things LOOK like and do
Are there "discontinuities" (is there "clumpiness"?) in life's diversity?
Plants versus animals versus fungi(?)
Autotrophs versus heterotrophs (interdependence)
With correlates (e.g. cell wall versus no cell wall)
Fungi have cell walls, but different molecular constituents (chitin versus cellulose), are heterotrophs but with external digestion
Can use molecules, like any other feature, to evaluate similarities/differences
Get discontinuities/"clumpiness" (diversity itself an "improbable assembly", not either all possibilities of improbable assemblies nor random assortment of them but lots of variants one some kinds of improbable assemblies, none of others)(Why no autotrophs without cell walls?)
Taking advantage of technology: Eukaryotes (Protists) vs Prokaryotes (Monerans: eubacteria and archaea) (Why no multicellular prokaryotes?)
Five (or six, or more) Kingdoms:
Why "clumpiness"? Things like small number of other things, some kinds of things absent?
Look more carefully at animals (metazoans)
More patterns within patterns (level of internal complexity, embryology)
More clumpiness
Why no ventral nervous system with endoskeleton?
Humans a small part of life, as life (as we know it) a small part of universe (but humans also steadily, perhaps even explosively, experiencing more and more of universe - is that distinctive of humans?
How make sense of diversity, clumpiness?
Great chain of being - ordering of organisms along some scale?
Evolution ... ? Go on to time, and its scales.
Evolution as way of making sense of diversity? Time as an essential descriptor of life?
It's frightening to me to think that a species that has so much power while, at the same time, being so ignorant of the larger scheme in life and the consequences that the actions taken now will affect the future. ... Julie Wise
.many Americans were able to unite...to cope with the tragedy..yet..as quick as I was able to group plants today in categories ..people were quick enough to place me under the category of being a threat to the US...since all they can see is my brown skin... Monica Bhanote As there are more and more discoveries scientific categories evolve. As different races of people in the United States learn more about those with skin color that differs from their own their definitions of race evolve. I wonder how much scientific observation it will take until our society realizes that skin color is not an adequate way to classify ... Leah Rayner In our own species we seem to either hate variety and supess it, or to ignore it so we can all be the same. I think we should be impressed with similarities and differences all the time. ... Sasha Sasha commented how we either suppress or ignore our variety. I agree that we don't appreciate the small differences that we do have. Biologically, we aren't all that diverse because we haven't given evolution a chance to experiment. For the most part, we find others similar to oursleves and huddle together in small groups. On Friday, we began to think about what effect time might have on this whole process. Just as with diversity, many people ignore and suppress change. I wonder, as a species which doesn't like change or diversity, what, in evolutionary terms, are our chances of survival over time? ... Tua One thing we must endevor not to forget is that we are still in the process of evolving. ... I think it extremely important for us to recognize what we may become, and how the consequences of our actions may have an effect on that. ... Rianna I am proud to be a thinking and feeling being that grows within this world and shares this world with so many different people ... Celina In case anyone's forgotten, let me remind you of the huge world that we share with the all the animals and plants and trees and bugs and oceans and deserts. And of how old the earth is, and how much things change. ... Rachel Moloshok every day scientists, with the aid of technological advancements, are unearthing new species. will these 'missing links' help to smooth out some of nature's "clumpiness"? ... Viv Our textbook paraphrases Darwin's second inference: "Survival in the struggle for existence is not random, but depends in part on the hereditary constitution of the surviving individuals. Those individuals whose inherited characteristics best fit them to their environment are likely to leave more offspring than less-fit individuals." (p 420) How does this apply to the human species? Does it apply to individuals, or cultures, or only to the human race in its entirety? It isn't logical to call a mother of 10 better adapted than an infertile woman, is it? ... Charlotte Ford the overwhelming role evolution plays in explaining non-human animal behavior coupled with the number of examples of human behavior that are consistent with evolutionary theory make evolution a viable tool in explaining the diversity of life ... Rebecca Roth When looking at the big picture, we tend to look at life as insignificant - we are so small compared to the cosmos and our lives are so short compared to eternity. We do live and die, and yet we don't. Maybe we won't be remembered within a few centuries, but isn't it amazing to think that the people we see now are show some of the history of the human race through their physiology and that we may perhaps someday have offspring who will in turn give some part of us to future generations? ... Emi Arima when I look at our species in the context of geological time, I wonder if we should consider the technologies we've developed as part of the evolutionary process. Or perhaps they will ultimately have the effect of retarding the evolutionary process, since one of the things we try to do with them is to alter our environment to suit us. ... Claudia Ginanni |
Human natural time scale - seconds to years, perhaps three generations (100 years)
Longer time scales important for biological systems (change where not aware of it):
Evolution helps to account for diversity/clumpiness, also for ... ordering?
Long, slow, inexorable, inevitable continuous change, progressive improvement?
Earliest life (?) - prokaryotes (> 3 billion years, and getting older)
Plenty of time for subsequent development of improbable assemblies, but ...?
Consistent with progression, but changing what adapted to, and persisting
Next steps? How soon?
Eukaryotes - 1-2 billion years ago (last quarter of life's history to date)
much more improbable than prokaryotes?
Multicellular Organisms - ~600 million years ago (last sixteenth of life's history to date)
VERY improbable?
Stasis and change - THEN slow progressive improvement?
Nope, continued fits and starts
Well then ... humans at least?
Nope - diversification and extinction here too
Though there are here, as elsewhere, some reasonably slow, continuous changes
Different time scales reveal different patterns, just as different space scales do
Clumpiness understandable in terms of evolution, but (and) raises new questions
Evolution includes both slow, continuous change and rapid change
Evolution involves "chance", and hence likely to proceed somewhat differently elsewhere or if repeated
Evolution does include some directionality, but is not toward "perfection" or "better" but rather toward having explored more (increased "complexity"?)
Shorter time scales ALSO important for biological systems - milliseconds, nanoseconds (change where not aware of it) Why do things change? At small scales, in space and in time, change is fundamental.
Have at small scales, beginnings of an explanation of one fundamental characteristic of life: change, exploration? Have also, at large time scales, some explanation of "adaptiveness", and of "clumpiness"/diversity
Have also sense of life as increasing complexity, improbable assemblies of improbable assemblies .... Need to underestand origins of improbable assemblies, of diversity, as well as boundedness, energy dependence, reproduction with variance, homeostasis, autonomy
Will work our way from small scales to large, seeing how much we can account for at each level of organization (improbable assembly)
The concept of time is generally associated with scales and improvement, or change continuing in a certain direction. For once, we must disassociate evolution with time ... Life does not evolve on the straight path of time. It is difficult for me to understand time without the notion of a pattern. Where is life going? Is it going forward, backward or staying in the same place? ... Ilana Moyer
During a recent C-Sem class discussion my professor mentioned how old the text we were reading was. While Herodotus’ Histories are extremely old compared to what we can conceive, I couldn’t help but think of the age of “life as we know it”. Considering the age of life the text is quite new. My problem with this idea is that I can’t even begin to imagine anything before human life. This incomprehensible quality of science has always bothered me. How do I get beyond having little faith in science because there are so many questions and very few answers? We can continue to come up with hypotheses for what the earth was like before our time but we will never really know ... Millicent Bond Our history of life is often a story of ever-increasing complexity. This increase in complexity begins with life's prehistory: hydrogen atoms are compressed into more-complex helium atoms as suns form, helium molecules become more-complex atoms of heavier elements including carbon when suns die; carbon atoms become parts of huge, complex organic molecules. Then we go from prokaryotic life to eukaryotic life to multicellular organisms and so on, building organizations of organizations, with complexity always increasing. And the possibilities of diversity increase with complexity. Of course, the reverse process is going on all the time -- things are constantly decomposing and breaking down into less complex components -- but that narrative doesn't seem so compelling. Perhaps that's because it seems so much more probable. But the process of thought sometimes seems to be more nearly analogous to the deomposition process. We feel that we have understood something only when we have taken it apart into its constituent parts -- the simpler (and thus less diverse) the basic components, the better our analysis has been. Then we feel that we have achieved order ... Claudia Ginanni its hard to think of oneself as an evolving species. as humans, we detatch ourselves from the process or believe we have mastered it through technological advancement. it is only when we realize that this ongoing process of exploration will continue as long as life does that we see the lack of control we have over it. it is strange to think that like whales that "are believed to be descended from terrestrial, 4 legged animals," we too exhibit signs of an evolving species. Our pinky toes are slowly shrinking, and more and more people have wisdom teeth that never grow out of the gums; it makes you wonder what kinds of adaptations we as a species will exhibit in the future. ... Viv The last few classes have raised a rather interesting paradox for me. As we talked about time and how OUR history (the history of humans or even the history of multicellular organisms) occupies such a very small percentage of time as a whole, it made me feel rather insignificant. On the other hand, the more we study how "improbable" our assemblies are, the more I'm struck by how amazing it is that we're here thinking, feeling, and acting. It's strange to feel so trivial on one hand, and yet so unique on the other hand ... A.B.
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Need to account for patterns in space and time at multiple scales
Improbable assemblies, adaptiveness, diversity, change
Can get that from improbable assemblies of physical elements (atoms)?
Remarkable generalization - dissociate ANYTHING, get out elements = atoms
Element | Symbol | Atomic number | Percent in universe | Percent in earth | Percent in human |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
hydrogen | H | 1 | 91 | 0.14 | 9.5 |
helium | He | 2 | 9 | trace | trace |
carbon | C | 6 | 0.02 | 0.03 | 18.5 |
nitrogen | N | 7 | 0.04 | trace | 3.3 |
oxygen | O | 8 | 0.06 | 47 | 65 |
sodium | Na | 11 | trace | 2.8 | 0.2 |
magnesium | Mg | 12 | trace | 2.1 | 0.1 |
phophorus | P | 15 | trace | 0.07 | 1 |
sulfur | S | 16 | trace | 0.03 | 0.3 |
chlorine | Cl | 17 | trace | 0.01 | 0.2 |
potassium | K | 19 | trace | 2.6 | 0.4 |
calcium | Ca | 20 | trace | 3.6 | 1.5 |
iron | Fe | 26 | trace | 5 | trace |
Living, non-living assemblies not distinguishable by identity of constituents at atomic level
Nor are different kinds of living things
Living assemblies are distinctive in proportions of atomic constituents (improbable assemblies)
Fewer kinds of constituents than of assemblies
What are atoms? How get more from less?
Atoms -themelves combinations of still smaller and fewer constituents
"Assembly rules" as a concept
Assemble rules for atoms into molecules by covalent bonding (electron sharing)
Vastly more possible different molecules than numbers of different atoms - diversity by combinatorial explosion
Combinatorial rules also create 3-D shapes, central to biological processes
Electron, electron affinities key to many biological processes
Water, central to living system as known, example of "emergent properties"
combinations of simple parts (atoms, elements) yield in assemblies (molecules) new properties
Overwhelming diversity of molecules (like life)
Any way to make sense of it? Any other useful things to learn at this level?
"Inorganic" versus "organic" molecules?
Carbon based versus non-carbon based, but no longer a good distinction for small molecules (large?)
Functional groups help to make sense of both small and large molecules
Classes of biological(?) macromolecules (and related constituents): lipids, carbohydrates, nucleic acids, proteins ... polymerization, dehydration reactions
Proteins, from amino acids
Nucleic acids , from nucleotides
Carbohydrates, sugars (monosaccharides to polysaccharides)
From hydrocarbons to lipids
Have diversity, improbable assemblies of parts, macromolecules. Assembly rules define possible things that can be, not what IS, nor what leads to change from one thing to another ... For that, need to take about energy, energy dependence
Matter: what one can feel/touch, what IS (down to levels of atoms, molecules)
Energy: everything else (almost), including what accounts for change
Energy = motion/change (kinetic energy), capacity to cause motion/change (potential energy)
First Law of Thermodynamics - in any isolated sytem (the universe) energy remains constant
Second Law of Thermodynamics - in any isolated system (the universe) change is always from less probable to more probable states
Diffusion as the archetype of life - improbability and flux (increasing disorder) driving increasing improbability (increasing order)
Sun (plus?) as source of driving improbability
Need to capture, use improbablity to make improbability
Take advantage of "quasi-stable" improbability, "energy" in chemical bonds
Can "trap" improbability in chemical bonds ("potential energy")
Carbohydrates (all macromolecules) high order/improbability/"free energy" - why doesn't cellulose fall apart without enzymes?
Anabolic and catabolic processes coupled, break things down to build things up, always create "waste"
Can do same thing in the absence of light (Alexis Hilts), which also raises an interesting issue with regard to circadian rhythms (Susanna Jones).
I was fascinated by the link in our lecture notes to low cholesterol levels' correlation with violent behavior, and by a classmate's suggestion that this could help explain violent behavior in "developing" nations. It's never as simple as nature or nurture; they both inform each other--but how much control do we have over our actions/reactions? To what extent do our genes/diet/chemical reactions determine our behavior? From a biological standpont, where does free will enter the picture? Can free will be explained bio-chemically? ... Charlotte Ford Which is more likely: That the sun will "burn out" or that we will in one way or another create our own extinction? ... Sarah Sterling I also find it interesting and enlightening that all earthly objects are made of the same matter. In fact, I think that this is such an important idea that it should get more publicity! If everyone were aware of all of our similarities and commonalities, perhaps the history of mankind would be different. The future still can be different if we use science to promote these good ideas. There are little discoveries by science every day that abolish stereotypes that we have lived with for centuries ... Samantha Carney we know that the human population is growing at an increasing rate.(exponentially?) this increase is then adding to the number of highly ordered cells or organized systems in our universe thereby, to some extent, decreasing entropy. At the same time an increasing population also spells an increase in conversions of usable energy to heat released into the universe. clearly, for the second law of thermodynamics to hold, more of the second is occurring than the first. what i find intriguing or think should be considered is the rate at which entropy is increasing. can the rate be quantified? what kind of impact do increasingly organized systems have on the rate at which the entropy or disorder of their surroundings increases? could disorder be increasing alongside our population at a faster and faster rate? ... Viv Bishay This idea is still kind of rough in my mind so bear with me, but: in class we've talked about patterns of movement: how life seems to be moving towards more and more "improbable" assemblies and how all the energy in the universe is moving towards more "probable" states. All this movement appears to be linear in some way and (to me at least) implies a finite end (either theoretically or in reality). My question is then: can the progression of life, energy, the universe, or even time itself ever be considered cyclic rather than linear? ... A.B. In the last few classes we have been learning how all matter,including living systems are in constant random motion and states of fluctuation.In that sense,nothing appears to be stable or fixed,but a continuous flow of breaking up and rebuilding(???) to create improbabilites which in turn create more improbabilties.Does that mean nothing is stable??? If so,why do we humans crave so much to cling to things(living and non lving) and desire permanence and stability? ... Savithri Sekanayake The topics of discussion in our class are becoming increasingly detailed. Now, we are in the process of describing complex proteins and the structures of our own life forms: DNA and RNA. Even this would require more detail, i would appreciate it if we discussed the physical aspects of how all of these items actually work together. Otherwise a complex protein does not really relate that much to my life ... Joelle Web |
Fit enzymes into picture, as regulatable chemical reaction controllers and couplers
Why doesn't cellulose fall apart?
Enzymes don't CAUSE chemical reactions, they PERMIT/ACCLERATE/CONTROL them, and are themselves controllable
Catabolic/Anabolic couplingMetabolism - life as linked/controlled creation, destruction of molecules
We've investigated all of these ideas about atoms up to macromolecules ... However, we've still have so far to go until it all makes sense. Even with all of this new understanding, I still can't necessarily find where life comes in--at what point do all of these reactions combine to make a LIVING cell. How do these cells interact to make up a person? How are emotions, ideas, and personality accounted for with these chemical reactions? Any ideas? ... Emi Arima
Sometimes I find that when thinking about cells and macromolecules it is easy to break it down into very small components ... I'm sure that we are starting to explain (or already have???)how one gets from neurons firing to modern art, but I'm not sure if I understand it. It seems to be a rather touchy subject; the idea that one's thoughts, feelings, and unique mental traits could be considered to be just chemical reactions. ... Rianna Rouelette
"Molecular docking is a serious challenge for bio-chemists. There are many ways to fit molecules together but only a few juxtapositions that bring them close enough to bond. On a molecular level success may mean discovering what synthetic structure, what chemical, will form a union with, say the protein shape on a tumour cell. If you make this high-risk jigsaw work you may have found a cure for carcinoma. But molecules and the human beings they are a part of exist in a universe of possibility. We touch one another, bond and break, drift away on force-fields we don't understand." |
The "cell theory" - All living organisms are either cells or assemblies of cells
What are cells? Why needed fundamental level of organization for life? Why minimum/maxium size?
Cells as energy-dependent, semi-autonomous, semi-homeostatic, reproducing, bounded improbable assemblies of molecules/macromolecules
Membranes the key to boundedness, both of cell and within cell (are also important framework elements, organizing other macromolecules)
9 November
Gene regulation - More on responsiveness/autonomy at the single cell level
This whole idea that we start out at a highly improbable state and from then on begin to become more and more probable until we can no longer be distinguished from non living things, is really intruguing when considered next to all of the social and cultural discourses on getting old, aging, dying. Why are we programed to be mortal and where does the left over energy go at the end of the living process? ... Tua Chaudhuri |
Need to go on to talking about energy in cells ... and will ...
12 November
Responsiveness/autonomy depend on energy - Where/how does that get in game?
Looking back and forward - link(s) between life and the second law
Photosynthesis the starting point ....... 6 CO2 + 6 H2O + light -> C6H12O6 + 6 O2
General principles, beyond energy per se
19 November
Cellular reproduction - mitosis
Lessons from cells about life:
Bonus topic - color
Multicellular organisms as improbable assemblies of cells having three-dimensional structure, boundaries, internal boundaries/spaces, energy dependence, autonomous/homostatic properties, reproduction with variance
Making sense of diversity - morphological tissues as intermediate level of organization between cells and organs/organ systems
How get elaborate, three-dimensional assemblies of diverse elements? Development as guide, further insight into diversity, background for "cloning" issues ... see also US News and World Report and Cloning: Past, Present, and ..."
Cellular respiration the link to metabolism and the return part of life cycle ......C6H12O6 + 6 O2 -> 6 CO2 + 6 H2O + 32-34 ATP
Key points:
I feel that cloning might add to a greater understanding of genetics. It could be used for couples who risk passing a genetic defect to their child. On the other hand, cloning might be used to create the 'perfect' individual. How would we react to this? What about the children knowing that they came from a clone? Could cloning interfere with evolution? ,,, Rebecca Roth As far as the cloning issue goes, I find it noteworthy that the embryos developed to a point of only 6 cells according to one of the news reports posted on our class webpage. 6 cells, while impressive, is a long way from a human being. Not only that, but the purpose should be considered; i.e., cloning for new organs, or cloning for new humans. ... Rianna Oulette One can see parallels between cloning and nuclear technology in that both have extremely positive and extremely negative possibilities. The effort to restrict nuclear technology to a privileged group of 5 countries was a futile endeavor and we must understand that if an individual/nation possesses the capabilities to clone, it will happen. We just have to learn to deal with it. ... Neema Saran I’m still thinking about Emi Arima’s posting about the mortality of cells. She mentions the idea of how cells die and brings up what implications this occurrence has on how we perceive our own identities. Emi’s idea, that on a cellular level we have died and been recreated multiple times (and because of that we can actually say that we’re not the same person anymore), is something that definitely makes me think about conceptions of identity in both non living and living systems. If you have a wooden boat and each year you replace a plank until one by one all of the planks that were originally present are no longer part of the boat, do you still have the same boat? Some people would say no, that the essence of the boat was contained in the planks that it was built with then it was first made and when they are replaced you’re left with an entirely new boat. Can we consider human life in the same way? If not, what makes it different? One could also argue that we should forget about the body and look toward the brain to find out more about identity. It used to be popular belief that cells in the brain did not regenerate, but a recent study at the Salk institute shows that adult humans generate new neurons in their hippocampus. If brain cells are also regenerating, then isn’t your brain constantly changing too? I do not think that we die as soon as all of our original cells do. Our cellular structure is constantly changing, but I don’t know if that means that we are constantly dying and being reborn. What if we are always changing and emerging and in a way in which we’re never quite the same or distinctly different? ... Heather Shelton |
Fusion of two genetically different cells, themselves the product of improbable assemblies of specialized cells
Importance of diversity generation - "sex" independent of reproduction - practical considerations: antibiotic resistance
Have dealt with improbable assembly, boundeness, reproduction with variance in multicellular organisms ...
Energy-dependence?
We're NOT going to get through all this stuff. Not with one week left. Oh well, life is ... a process of learning about life. So, what shall we focus on in our last week? How about the self ... and the place of the self in a larger biosphere? Maybe homeostasis, autonomy, the brain, and evolution? |
12 December
Nature of "self" - interacting autonomous parts
Of brain
Individual multicellular organisms (humans) made up of complex, interacting set of components - And are themselves components of still larger interacting improbable assemblies
Are both result of and influence on our components, can both be influenced by and influence the larger assemblies
AND SO ...
To be continued
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