Well, before we get going into Day 4...
what did you come away with, from Day 3??
What did you learn, what are you still trying to make sense of
...amidst all that Panama showed us about social insects:
how "sophisticated" mechanisms have to be, to get sophisticated results?
Looking forward to hearing what we all are thinking--
Anne
Name: marlene
Username: marlene3k@aol.com
Subject: social insects
Date: 2003-07-23 14:01:24
Message Id: 6119
Comments:
Fascinating! Just imagine ants have instincts that they follow when they move called pheromones....they arbitrarally stumble onto their food source. Its a form or system that they use to communicate as well as their existence. Using my classroom as a analogy, I have noticed that my students have a similiar system, in that they seem to attract certain individuals in their cooperative groups.
Although I never assign them to a particular group, they seem to know instinctly which grouping would be best for them. There seem to be one person in the group who sorta set the pace, and the rest of the group members are comfortable following their lead.
Name: Antoinette
Username: tonisisco@aol.com
Subject: Wednesday
Date: 2003-07-23 16:00:29
Message Id: 6122
Comments:
The discussions about Ants and Plants makes me think about group behavior,especially even when no clear rules or outcomes are stated. I have seen in groups of educators, students, families, churches, and other social organizations, that people tend to follow certain patterns of behavior, even whan not communicated verbally. Sometimes we select the people in which we do not mind being in close proximity to all on an unconscious level. These patterns as they expand later can determine our neighborhoods, community and ect. "Just remember an ant can move a rubber tree plant."
Name:
Username: Anonymous
Subject: wednesday
Date: 2003-07-24 08:51:38
Message Id: 6124
Comments:
Nice. I still don't understand what makes the "things" move in the way that they do, but that's what this class is about. Discovery and a whole lot of emergence; I'll get there.
Name: Mitch
Username: Anonymous
Subject: Wednesday...
Date: 2003-07-24 09:27:12
Message Id: 6125
Comments:
I don't think we used the word "instinct" too much yesterday. Ants move because of instinct-- imbedded patterning. We have instinct, but we have a program that counters instinct. We call it intelligence. The more we counter instinct the more we increase intelligence, or vice versa.
Name: Marita
Username: Anonymous
Subject: comments on Wednesday session
Date: 2003-07-24 09:29:09
Message Id: 6126
Comments:
Okay, a few rules can generate a sophisticated pattern but in nature where do the rules come from? Is it success breeding success? How do you "rule out" alternative rules and "select" others?
Name: Regina
Username: reginatoscani@hotmail.com
Subject: NETLOGO and TWIKI
Date: 2003-07-24 09:33:03
Message Id: 6127
Comments:
It is fascinating to observe, through LOGO, how something that seems to be random, is actually organized. If ants, geese, other animals can form these complex patterns using genetic information, does this mean that humans have similar information? I would say, "Yes" and much of the patterns we engage are in the unconscious realm of our brain.
Name: Randal Holly
Username: kr092389@aol.com
Subject: Models Depicting Behavior
Date: 2003-07-24 09:37:55
Message Id: 6128
Comments:
It is quite useful to have these computer models available to us that effectively describe the potential for all kinds of growth or actions of a species. However, the use of sliders to determine probabilities of various growths or actions falls well short of properly mimicing what actually can occur in nature. It may be perhaps too ambicious for us to develop computer models that can do this with minimal error. That being said, one has to acknowledge that the predictive behavior of any model is contingent upon the variables we are able to accurately include for modelling. But, what of variables that we simply are not aware of. Also, what of variables that produce an effect only when working in tandem. For example, sophisticated models attempting to predict weather still do not include the actions of butterflies as a variable in their programming.
Just a thought......
Name: Sheila
Username: Anonymous
Subject: Ants
Date: 2003-07-24 09:39:09
Message Id: 6129
Comments:
Ants are constanly marching/working. If you watch the ant activity in a ant farm--the patterns of behavior, seem crazy. The marching-straight line, and the walking recovering of the dead ants.
Is there a pattern to growth and change? What advances the development in the patterns that occur? Is the leader an agent for the change? Do the changes alter the patterns in the behavior?
Name: Wendy
Username: simplyMarrvelous@yahoo.com
Subject: Reflections/7-23-03
Date: 2003-07-24 09:40:03
Message Id: 6130
Comments:
Yesterday's info about plants and ants was well received.
The plant segment met me were I was. I love trees.
The ants(swarm smart) discussion was eye-opening. I guess the little things DO mean alot.
Name: Lois
Username: loismackey@yahoo.com
Subject: Day 4 comments
Date: 2003-07-24 09:41:18
Message Id: 6131
Comments:
Although both presentations were very interesting, I enjoy Wong information even the more. Why? Because I had an personal interest, trusting that I may retrieve some information from Wong that would be helpful for my "Dogwood Tree" to emerge from its ill state.
However, Pam did pack a good argumental theory for her ants presentation.
Although I am not total sold on her rationals for its behavior, neither was I when my professor at Temple presented his "rat" theories in communical living. But over the years unknowingly, I was to see some truth in his theories.
Name: Geraldine Brown
Username: brownthankyou@aol.com
Subject:
Date: 2003-07-24 09:42:18
Message Id: 6132
Comments:
Yersterdays experience makes me think and even meditate
more about behavior patterns GLOBALLY, and tha it all depends on the situation what the next move is going to be. We have Leaders, and we have followers. WHICH ONE ARE YOU?
WHEN THE TIME COMES AND WE MEET, ARE YOU STILL ABLE TO TAKE THE HEAT. WHEN DIFFERENT BEHAVIORS COME INTO PLAY ARE YOU STILL ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD DAY? WHEN VARIOUS MODELS ARE PLACED IN YOUR FACE, ARE YOU STILL ABLE TO STAY IN YOUR PLACE, OR DO YOU COME OUT AND TREY TO EXPLAIN, THAT THEIR IS ALWAYS A CONTINIOUS NEW GAME!
Name: Dawn
Username: Anonymous
Subject: Yesterday. . .
Date: 2003-07-24 09:43:10
Message Id: 6133
Comments:
Yesterday was interesting. I was able to grasp a better understanding of this concept of emergence and how it really is almost everywhere. Panama's description of how the social insects form order out of chaos was fascinating. The animation with which Ted described how plants determine "branchiness" was technical, but interesting.
Name: brian malin
Username: malinb1@yahoo.com
Subject: Day 4
Date: 2003-07-24 09:48:13
Message Id: 6134
Comments:
While my Imac computer couldn't run some of the programs, I was able to observe programs running on other people's desk tops. It showed that simple rules can generate what appears to be complex behaviors. I noticed that small changes on the slides can make such noticable changes in the behaviors. Maybe our cat is not ready to sit at the dinner table with a knife and fork. Now i know why the cat searches the house 20 million times!
Name: Sylvia
Username: Anonymous
Subject: Day Three
Date: 2003-07-24 09:57:36
Message Id: 6135
Comments:
I enjoy investigating animal behavior. The information on ants was informative and eye opening.
Name:
Username: Anonymous
Subject: Day #3 - Review
Date: 2003-07-24 10:05:47
Message Id: 6136
Comments:
Greetings!
Day #3-was fun. "cooking" ice-cream, foraging for pennies, "selecting" a queen, having "fun with physics", "branching" out with trees, "transforming" tasks, "observing" chip-piles, etc. It was marvelously novel, yet somehow familiar. From computer modeling insect/tree behavior, to human interacting- it appeared that much of complex behavior is multi-faceted. Are both living and non-living entities working with some basic, simple "rules" of interaction and deriving from them a limitless range of "behaviors" from simple to complex, predicatable to novel,
Name: JK Johnston-Malin
Username: malinb1@yahoo.com
Subject: Day #3 - Review
Date: 2003-07-24 10:14:20
Message Id: 6137
Comments:
Greetings!
Day #3-was fun. "cooking" ice-cream, foraging for pennies, "selecting" a queen, having "fun with physics", "branching" out with trees, "transforming" tasks, "observing" chip-piles, etc. It was marvelously novel, yet somehow familiar. From computer modeling insect/tree behavior, to human interacting- it appeared that much of complex behavior is multi-faceted. Are both living and non-living entities working with some basic, simple "rules" of interaction and deriving from them a limitless range of "behaviors" from simple to complex, predicatable to novel,
Name: JudithOdom
Username: Anonymous
Subject: Ants and Plants
Date: 2003-07-24 15:18:29
Message Id: 6165
Comments:
I found that the Ants and plants was a good way to open up to the kids about how we are social creatures. I would use it in my classroom and try to use it to teach how working together can get things done.
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