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Many thanks.  Indeed where I was trying to nudge myself (and offer as a possibility to others) was "past this standoff."  Formal systems, what can be talked about "logically," is limited.  But the limitation is specific to particular formal systems.  The "inexpressible" is not inevitably so but only so in relation to a particular formal system (language).  By changing the formal system/language, one brings into the realm of the expressible things that were not previously so.  By understanding the limitations of formal systems one gains a tool to transcend the limitations of any particular formal system.  And a useful appreciation that the inexpressible is itself a product of formal systems and so will will always exist in some form.  Human understanding itself creates new challenges for human understanding.  There is no standoff between "formal systems" and an interest in the "inexpressible;" they are co-dependent, co-evolving.   "We are, and we can think, therefore we can change both what we are and what we think."