Serendip is an independent site partnering with faculty at multiple colleges and universities around the world. Happy exploring!
Neurobiology and Behavior, Week 12
Welcome to the on-line forum associated with the Biology 202 at Bryn Mawr College. Its a way to keep conversations going between course meetings, and to do so in a way that makes our conversations available to other who may in turn have interesting thoughts to contribute to them. Leave whatever thoughts in progress you think might be useful to others, see what other people are thinking, and add thoughts that that in turn generates in you.
As always, you're free to write about whatever thoughts you add this week. But if you need something to get you started, what do you think of the idea that the picture in the head is an interaction among a number of brain regions, rather than localized at a particular place, and that you don't need it to "see"? What does a "story" of what's out there give you that you wouldn't have without it? And how does that relate to other manifestations of a "bipartite" brain?
Sleep Deprivation
Sleep
When I think about the topic of sleep and what goes on during the stages it is very interesting. I often times joke around when asked to wake up early stating, "i can't wake up that early, I'll be in my REM cycle." After learning about the different stages of sleep and dreaming it has become more interesting when looking at insomniacs and narcoleptics. What is going on in their brains?
Also I find it interesting how people can often change their sleep pattern. This is observed in college students as well as people who work night shifts. I have an older cousin who works night shifts and the idea that this could be doing damage to her brain and functionality is pretty scary. Is their no way to successfully change your sleep pattern and be okay?
What's 'brain damage' versus
Cosmetic Neurology in College
Hey everyone,
I found this really cool article in the New Yorker that talks about cosmetic neurology, especially with stimulants (e.g. Adderall and Ritalin) at colleges (i.e the ivies).
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/04/27/090427fa_fact_talbot?currentPage=all
They quote a HC alum, Chatterjee at Penn, too.
Sleep Study in Drosophila
I wish they had done some cognitive tasks with the sleep deprived flies to see if sleep deprivation has the same effect on cognition and memory in flies as it does in humans and other organisms.
While it is not completely clear why sleep is so important, these studies (especially those done in mammals) can help get closer to the answer.
sleep
Moods as Language
One thing that I was thinking about, especially as many people have posted concerning the neurobiology of mood in its role for perception is what about thinking of mood as language?
Much of language, at least according to some linguistics, is part of a subliminal system of signs in which the I-function shares no part. Instead, languages evolve undirected and spontaneously. Some of us can probably think of an example of language occuring without words (e.g. body language), but what about thinking about the variety of moods that we are bestowed with by nature in terms of signs that can be used to create an elaborate system of communication, not only with each other, but what about nature as a whole. If it is true that mood bears a role on perception, then couldn't our perception of nature (our reality) be translated to someone else in a pattern of moods (e.g more sad than excited, but more excited than bored)
If this is true and moods act as signs in a language, then couldn't our moods be more universal (shared) among each other than we would like to admit previously?
It seems to me that their is
I remember when I was in
I remember when I was in middle school I had the toughest time pulling an all-nighter whether it was for a sleep over or for an exam I needed to study for. As a college student, I have to pull all-nighters often and I have found them to be less painful/difficult for me to do compared to when I did them when I was younger. I'm guessing that sleep was more vital to my well being when I was younger since my body was developing.
How did I develop this routine of sleeping less? Will my brain develop more slowly compared to others' who sleep more (brains mature until we're 25)? What's going on in the nervous systems of insomniacs?
Some thoughts on vision...
The idea that the picture in our heads is not located in a particular place in our brains, but is the rather the result of patterns of activity across the neocortex makes sense. The act of seeing involves a host of different neuronal signals that then require either conscious, or subconscious (or both) interpretation. Upon reaching the fovea, the image must be determined and isolated from several photoreceptor cells (cones and rods). This act alone involves multiple cortical visual areas within the neocortex, which takes this sequence of information and allows the brain to generate the picture in our heads. This sequence of neural networks, that begins with the retina, made me wonder about the existence of other types of vision.
In this sense, I do not mean to refer to the types of vision that result from structural defects in the eyes (such as myopia (shortsightedness), hyperopia (farsightedness) and astigmatism ( a misshaped, asymmetrical lens)). Rather, I’m curious about how the brain is able to precisely locate and distinguish one’s “objectivity” in reference to our environment. In my experiences with roller hockey, for example, it seems to me that players use three main types of vision; identification, association and peripheral. Identification provides the picture that allows one to determine the context and content of the environment. For example, this picture allows a hockey player to identify the puck from the floor. Subsequently, association with past experience allows the brain to take the picture produced by identification to locate the object with in the environment (depth perception, i.e. how close is the puck to the boards?) and thereby, allow for the generation of a proper response. Finally, peripheral vision provides a hockey player with yet another picture, which provides information about one’s immediate surroundings.
Since this picture from our head is the result of a distributive system, do these types of vision correspond to different regions in the brain? Moreover, how many types of vision do we actually possess with in our neocortex?
Why Sleep?
However I still see sleep as a way to give the nervous system some rest from the outside. Without it, the nervous system suffers. I've suffered from insomnia and sleep deprivation and this usually resulted in drowsiness throughout the day and inability to fully concentrate. The worst story I've heard is where a guy decided to not sleep for numerous days and towards the end of his ordeal, he started to have hallucinations that he was someone famous.
Mood Swings
appreciation for sleep
I completely agree with the idea that the picture in the head is an interaction among a number of brain regions, rather than localized at a particular place.
Indeed, It is our role to interpret the picture and apply it into our life. There are many steps by which we apply the picture into our life. One of the components we use is our mood. Depending on our mood, we see the world differently. Based on the mood fluctuation, there are various ways to interpret the same picture.
But what are the ways to enhance the positive point of view, that is, what's the way to keep the positive mood? One way i think is to have a enough sleep hours at certain time range. From my experience solid quality of sleeping from 10 pm to 2 am helps me a lot for my mood and brain function. I learned that it is 10pm to 2 am range in which most physical repair is taking place.
To enhance the assimilation of the picture created by bipartite brain into our life in more positive perspectives, having certain amount of sleep in the RIGHT TIME helps us make the picture more clear. During that time, the brain organizes/reinforces the materials we learned right before we fell asleep. Many studies report that that's why it is more beneficial to sleep before exam rather than pulling an all nighter cramming.
So, I think there is a strong relationship between sleep hours and mood fluctuation. My next question is how can people with insomnia deal with the mood fluctuation? How are their brain like?
Sleep, Subconscious, and Schizophrenia
Professor Grostein asked in class why we sleep. Although his question was really asking for what causes us to sleep, I nevertheless thought about why it is important to sleep. His question immediatley reminded me of a sement on 60 Minutes that aired about a year ago called The Science of Sleep (link provided below). The exact answer on why it is important to sleep is still unclear. From an evolutionary standpoint, sleep seems counterproductive. When we plunge into a world of unconsciousness, we are left vulnerable to our surroundings. This suggests that the service sleep provides is far more important than being aware at all times. We can try to evade it, but we all know (perhaps through first hand experience) that lack of sleep comes with serious repercussions. Of the many studies featured on the 60 Minutes segment, one in particular has definitly resonated with me. This particular experiment tested the effects of sleep deprivation on emotional response. A control group that had received a full night’s rest was shown a series of increasingly disturbing images of blood, gore, mutilation, etc. The same procedure was followed for a group of sleep deprived subjects. Brain MRI scans of the control group showed constant and controlled activity in the imigdula, the emotional center of the brain. MRI scans of the experimental group, however, displayed hyperactive brain responses indicating a lack of control in processing information and then in generating an emotional response. Furthermore, scans of the frontal lobe, the region of the brain responsible for cognition, showed a pattern of activity among the experimental group that was similar to that found in patients with severe mental illness such as Schizophrenia. Is it possible that a lack of sleep can somehow interrupt connections between/among regions of the brain?
Although the exact cause of Schizophernia is still under investigation, studies such as the Hollow Mask Illusion Test suggest that the illness is caused, at least in part, by a disconnectivity between or among different regions of the brain. The Hollow Mask Illusion Test reveals that the spatial recognition and visual processing centers of the brain are not communicating in Schizophrenic patients and in the aforementioned mood study, these patients also exhibited such disconnectivity between the emotional and congnitive centers of the brain.
If processing information such as seeing requires the coordination between or among various regions of the brain, does this "checks and balances" system also apply to emotional responses? In my studies of Modern Art history, I have come across the Freudian theories concerning the id, the ego, and the superego. The belief is that the id is the emotional or irrational part of the mind located deep within the subconcious. The superego, on the other hand, is the moral and perfectionist part of the mind located in the consciousness and arising from societal conditioning. Both the demands of the id and the superego can at times be unrealistic therefore the mind requires the ego to mediate between the two--to find a way to get what the subconcious wants in a reasonable manner. In relating Freud's theories to neurobiology, could the id be seen as a lack of connectivity between/among various parts of the brain, the superego as too much communication of these regions, and the ego as the coordination of these parts? Would Schizophrenic patients have an overactive id?
The Science of Sleep
cones and colors and animals
I was interested in how other species usually have 4 cones in their vision instead of three. The way I'm interested in it is that for many animals, such as frogs, we see them brightly colored to portray they are poisonous or animals that blend into things to avoid predators. If they blend in and are colorful to our eyes, how do they look to other animals with 4 cones instead of our three. Are they less or more defended???????
The picture in our brains...
I don't think it is possible
I don't think it is possible to prove what an actual object objectively looks like. Color, and I assume other aspects of visual perception, are created in our brains, which makes it a unique experience for each person. I don't think it is possible to prove that the way I see something is the same way someone else sees the same object.
If this is the case for visual perception, I wonder if the brain also constructs the input we receive from our other sensory perceptions (i.e. taste, hearing, etc.). For example, when I hear something, does it sound the same to someone else? Or is it like color where we each have our unique perceptions of the sensory stimuli?
I agree that it's probably
My recent web paper dealt
My recent web paper dealt with the brain's aesthetic appraisal system. It got me thinking out neurobiology as a field of study. It is interesting to think of neuroscience as a type of meta learning. In other words, by studying our brains (through neurobiology or psychology) we are learning about learning as the brain is the seat of all knowledge.
Continuing in this vein, I think it is important to remember that all knowledge belongs to humanity; that all knowledge starts in the brain. Philosophically speaking, this is an empowering aspect of our reality. Also, it encourages interdisciplinary studies like that or neuroesthetics (the study of the brain's aesthetic appraisal system which brings together neuroscience, art, and empirical aesthetics).
I was also thinking about the brain's "story" this week. As opposed to a cut and dry, computer-like observation system, a story gives your reality meaning. It allows the human being to see purpose and to derive direction from what it is perceiving. This is another empowering aspect of our reality.
waking up happy
Our talk about whether or not sleep is beneficial reminded me of a section of Jonah Lehrer's Proust Was a Neuroscientist. The book has received a lot of criticism for the leaps Lehrer makes between science and the arts, but I think Lehrer's aims apply well to what we are doing in this course.
Lehrer talks about the role of sleep in the process of neurogenesis, which is the process of creating new neurons in the brain. Neurogenesis is a newly accepted observation among neuroscientists because it overrides the popularly held notion that our brains are fixed. Lehrer notes that neurogenesis is encouraged by sleep and suggests that our brains are a little different each time we wake up.
Interestingly, neurogenesis studies that have been done have observed that neurogenesis is strongly linked to a positive mood. Neurogenesis, and the activities that promote it (learning, exposure to new things, sleeping), do the same work as an anti-depressent.
Sleeping too much versus not sleeping enough can profoundly effect a persons mood, which ultimately effects who they are as a person. Why do we get grumpy when we are tired? Conversely, why do people who are depressed sleep all the time?
Mood Fluctuation
I am interested in the idea that mood fluctuation provides a more complete view or perspective. In class we discussed the how different moods allow us to perceive a cat, for example, differently depending on mood. This idea makes sense to me as it gives some explanation as to why moods evolved. In a larger sense, I think awareness of the benefits of mood fluctuation can help us become better adjusted individuals. If we understand that sadness has benefits, we can become more appreciative of a sad mood and of mood fluctuations in general.
I think it is completely true that mood affects our perspective, even in the most basic sense. If you were to ask a sad person if a glass was half full or half empty, their mood would most likely literally change the way they saw the cup. Based on this, I think the simplest way to define depression, is as chronic intensely sad mood. In other words, as a result of the lack of mood fluctuation, a depressed person can only see the "sad" perspective.
Week 12
Sleepwalking/hypnosis/dreaming
Can the experiences that an individual has while sleepwalking be uncovered through hypnosis? How is hypnosis different than sleep and the trance-like state one is in while sleepwalking? Do sleepwalkers respond to individuals in the way a person would while being hypnotized? With hypnosis, there is a question of who has control over the subject's body, so is the same true for sleepwalking? Is an indivdiual in control of her body while sleepwalking or can another individual control her?
Also, how are dreams and our sense of self related? Is what happens in our dreams a product or our sense of self, an influence on our sense of self, or both? Can who we are in our dreams change who we are when awake and vice versa?
sleep walking
Might Horses Have a Theory of Mind?
extreme moods
I wonder why mood is so dependent on so many factors in order to form one emotion. It seems that mood is variable based on how you yourself want to feel, what medicines or other substances you are on, and your environment. Why would this be? I know we discussed this and decided that it allows you to see things from a new perspective but, what evolutionary value could that have? If you look at a tree when your happy versus when you are angry it is still the same tree.
Also, I wonder if we can discuss what happens with more extreme mood changes like severe depression or mania. Is it solely based on chemical alterations in the brain or is there and I-function/ environmental element to the creation of these problems?
We briefly brought up
We briefly brought up sleep-walking at the end of class, but I was also wondering about sleep-talking. I am a notorious sleep talker (or so I'm told, seeing as I remember nothing about the occurrence) and therefore wonder if there are parts of my "self" in the jumble of words that I mumble every night. I know we said that sleep-walking does involve the I-function, but one usually has no memory of the occurrence--how does this happen that we remember dreams if woken up during the REM cycle (or Delta cycle?), but not sleep walking if done during the REM cycle? I have the same question for sleep-talking.
I also got to thinking that, if one is lucidly dreaming, one has to have a balance between a sense of "reason" and a sense of "emotion." The "reason" would be seeing delusions--which the brain probably wouldn't favor--but the emotions would be the desire to continue seeing those delusions. It seems to be a push-pull sort of relationship occurring in the brain when this happens.